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Post by Dryke on Sept 10, 2015 10:27:19 GMT -5
It does seem odd to enable pvp, but then ban players for using it. I think it's because people want the bragging rights of saying they are a pvp server without the consequences.
Just think for a moment about the ridiculousness of demanding a 'role play' reason to kill someone, or saying that you should not kill 'excessively'. These are truly feeble attempts to impose reason on an act that is unreasonable. When was the last time you heard about some poor clerk killed in a store robbery and thought, 'Well, that makes sense!'. Random murder and selfishness are facts of human existence, and the less order in a society - the less chance of consequences being imposed - the more these things will take place. We know that humans DO have a tendency to move towards civilization, so not everyone will become a murderous villain, but there are those who will.
Short story: If you don't want people killing other people on your server, turn off pvp and accept that you are a wimp unable to deal with reality. Turning it on and putting 'rules' on it is just stupid. You have a right to whatever settings you want, and people should obey your rules (even if they are stupid) but just know that you are almost laughably ridiculous when you set up a server like that.
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metaldevin
Blood Hounds
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Post by metaldevin on Sept 10, 2015 12:21:13 GMT -5
Yeah I knew they were strict with the PVP. Which is why I would on kill one or two with a low level aim character. Guess it was easier to ban me then to kill my level 2 aim character fairly.
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ellis
Cosa Nostra
Posts: 133
AKA (in game): Elisa
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Post by ellis on Sept 10, 2015 13:16:02 GMT -5
The real trouble with that server's pvp rules is they can be very vague/random. Using pvp defensively, who would you be defensive against but a pvper? Anyone you would need to attack is then also breaking the rules?
I stalked/escorted 3 guys to their group base. Gave them antibiotic, nail boxes and a elec magazine. The group did not like me being at their safehouse so I left. Then they accidently global chatted they were going to kill me. So I went back and attacked the group, killed 3. Admin came and warned me for 'excessive pvp'. I had no plan to harm them initially and considered it defensive since they threatened me. And, like Metal indicated, I did not use a highly trained killer but a mid level guy. I actually hid my loot expecting to die attacking 6-7 people.
With steam bans now possible, servers should have some pretty explicit rules, that all players must follow. Otherwise its almost random bans, difficult for a player to predict what may or may not be 'appropriate' at any given time.
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Im Friendly
Sorry For whatever
The Kentucky Rangers
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Post by Im Friendly on Sept 10, 2015 14:14:46 GMT -5
Metal banned?  wtf pardon my three letters banned for killing a random guy? pffff Ridiculous  Scary poop going on. For how long you banned Bro? |
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Im Friendly
Sorry For whatever
The Kentucky Rangers
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Post by Im Friendly on Sept 10, 2015 14:15:59 GMT -5
Ellis i would do the same you did..
Disrespect is lame..
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Grumpy >:(
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Blood Hounds
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AKA (in game): Grumpy >:(
AKA (in game): Azzmunch
AKA (in game): Murderin' Murphy
Reputation:: Law Enforcement
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Post by Grumpy >:( on Sept 10, 2015 16:07:16 GMT -5
Hobbes reckon' ould you reccommend a good screen capture program? I used one for the spoon fights but it was shithouse. Also, "Pot's Mistake", the wonderfully constructed building, by our friend A Pot of Water, would make for some excellent laughs if we caught em on video, not to mention Grumpy's Tea House  .  also, Hobbes, you watch "what we do in the shadows" yet?
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Grumpy >:(
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Blood Hounds
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AKA (in game): Grumpy >:(
AKA (in game): Azzmunch
AKA (in game): Murderin' Murphy
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Post by Grumpy >:( on Sept 10, 2015 16:10:33 GMT -5
Strange metaldevin got banned, after being allowed back on, me and swainoez went apeshit on the rampage to the point the admins sent their non-admin characters into the fray! Enigmagrey is a good dude, i'm sure you could message him and have it sorted in no time. Doubtful it would have been for just KOS though... Mind you, according to swainoez, yelling something like "hey you stole my bullet!" helps with the needing a reason side of things. |
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Blood Hounds
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AKA (in game): Grumpy >:(
AKA (in game): Azzmunch
AKA (in game): Murderin' Murphy
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Post by Grumpy >:( on Sept 10, 2015 16:17:49 GMT -5
ellis They're probably still figuring out what it should be. Some clarification would be good, the problem with the spiffo'ers is the complaints (even though creation for spawn it says West Point (you'll probably die here"))., and no doubt being an official server it's all about keeping the punters on and happy at this point.
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eg
Escape Artist
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Post by eg on Sept 10, 2015 19:48:34 GMT -5
You guys fail to read the description on the forum, in the server description, and in the entrance text? It's been there for around four or five months.
"This is primarily a learning server and an introduction to multiplayer: Though PVP is enabled, use it sparing-ly (ideally for defense). Those that over-use PVP may be asked to leave."
Well, some of you were asked to go easy and respect the newbs, but you didn't.
Four Steam IDs (some with as many as eight usernames associated with them) accounted for a massive number of kills since the release of Steam. We had just over 150 kills in one day. Know how many we had after you four were banned? 27.
You guys have a great server here, provided by Zeek. You're doing him and your own community a dis-service by fucking off to other servers and making a name for yourselves as people associated with banditry, hacking, and poaching.
You don't need SpiffoSpace's learning server for your PVP fun.
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metaldevin
Blood Hounds
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Post by metaldevin on Sept 10, 2015 20:06:24 GMT -5
EG so subtract my 6 from that pile because I never killed more then that on one day on your server. With all the log checks you do im sure you can see that on your own without me telling you. I was never warned once seeing as I kept my banditry to a minimum, only had a couple chats with people I haven't seen in awhile. Rping a bandit only adds to fun as long as your not overdoing it. Maybe you can be more descriptive on how sparingly PVP should be enabled(1 maximum?) and like how Ellis said what would you need to defend from if theres no pvpers.
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swainoez
Steam ID Swainoez
Survivor
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Post by swainoez on Sept 11, 2015 4:53:44 GMT -5
Not sure if I should have posted the reply down here or under Enigma's comment xD! Get your binoculars out, I can barely read that with my resolution! Spiffo for me was a great place to play while I am on vacation, sometimes Zeek's is a little depopulated on a morning here in Britain, so please reflect again on what I said!
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Post by Hobbes on Sept 11, 2015 7:57:05 GMT -5
Hobbes reckon' ould you reccommend a good screen capture program? I used one for the spoon fights but it was shithouse. Also, "Pot's Mistake", the wonderfully constructed building, by our friend A Pot of Water, would make for some excellent laughs if we caught em on video, not to mention Grumpy's Tea House . also, Hobbes, you watch "what we do in the shadows" yet? I use basic QuickTime on my mac. Set up my screen record and go. It's low CPU usage and easy on the RAM. Alternatively i would recommend Screenflow (mac and PC) it's not free but allows the user some basic editing (i.e. cropping, cuts, layers, effects, etc.) If your doing just pics: go with Lightshot Screenshot. It's free and super easy to setup either fullscreen grabs or pre-cropped areas. And no, i haven't seen it yet, i dont think... where's the link? I'll watch it right meow! |
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Post by Hobbes on Sept 11, 2015 8:17:13 GMT -5
Just a side note: please do your best to treat the other admins with the same respect you would give us. Noob murder is fun and all, but not much to brag about. Let 'em develop some skills on the spiffospace, and those that notice these very valid points will migrate somewhere more challenging.
EG does hard work and all the other servers are on the same side as us.
We really don't want bad blood between any server and us, it's just bad for business. So please folks. Don't make our jobs harder by stirring the pot with the dev's server. Just let them have their space set up the way they want. I'm sure they take polite suggestions, same as us (proper channels), but it's not very pleasant to talk shit about others here.
* Just trying to keep the peace.
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JordosS
The Agency
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AKA (in game): Usain Bolt
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Post by JordosS on Sept 11, 2015 9:43:25 GMT -5
Why is everybody tripple/double posting? Is that the latest trend?
I think that we have a right to play where we want and talk about what we want on other servers. If its not to anyones liking they can give us a warning, which is what Enigmagrey did and I appreciate that.
That being said, I dont want to muck up our "reputation" (whatever the hell that means). Our reputation speaks for itself with a great community and "realistic" situations where some people are good and some are bad. Besides that the only reputation that we have is that we have bandits on the server and thats why some people leave and find more peacefull servers. I dont know about any other reputation than that.
This turned into a silly topic to be honest and if it wasnt for someone replying to this thread, it would have died long ago. Just sayin'
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Post by Dryke on Sept 11, 2015 11:54:00 GMT -5
You don't need SpiffoSpace's learning server for your PVP fun. I will amend my earlier opinion to include this situation. My thoughts on 'pvp with rp rules' notwithstanding, I can absolutely see the value of a learning server for newbs as a place to get your feet wet. Going to such a server to play bandit is perhaps not the best idea. They don't need dedicated bandits at that level - they will find enough petty excuses to kill each other from time to time to figure out how pvp works and then graduate to a more mature server.
With that in mind, though, hopefully there is some self-review process on the other side as well. I realize all of the things discussed here are anecdotal and do not reflect the complete record of events, but there are a few stories that bear some thinking on - such as responding to someone chatting globally about planning to kill you, etc - that might be something you would want to allow even on a newb server 
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